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Kitchen shoes The Great Hall: Kitchen shoes
By Jonnyboy on Sunday, June 11, 2000 - 01:15 pm: Edit

After destroying my latest pair of doc martens i think it is time to find some new shoes any one got any good ideas( no clogs) I think i have destroyed a pair of just about everything but if anyone has any good ideas i'd love to hear them

By Ramodeo (Ramodeo) on Sunday, June 11, 2000 - 07:26 pm: Edit

Destroyed after how long? 3 mos? 6 mos? 1 yr? I don't expect my shoes to last more than 6 mos. Then, if they do, it's a bonus. I just look for the least expensive shoe that gives me the support I need. My last pair was $13.99 at Payless and lasted almost a year. This time I spent $40 on a pair with better ventilation, but it's only been a month.

Does anyone remember the name of the thread where this was discussed recently????

By Dpconsu (Dpconsu) on Sunday, June 11, 2000 - 08:30 pm: Edit

I have been wearing Doc Martins shoes (not the boots)since way before they were fashionable, (the late 60's) all I do is put in a good quality insole every 3 months and use a leather punch to put a single 1/8 inch hole with a grommit in each instep. My shoes last an average of four years per pair. But I always buy 2 pairs and change them out daily when I work in the kitchen.

And a trick I learnt in the army was this to break in leather shoes or boots when they are real stiff when new. Put on a pair of old socks and smear them with a lot of saddle soap and put the new shoes on and wear them for at least 24 hours.Then throw away the socks, it softens the shoes and moulds them to your feet perfectly and as a side effect really softens the calouses on your feet too.

By Panini (Panini) on Sunday, June 11, 2000 - 08:40 pm: Edit

I can't remember the last thread but I remember it as being fashion bias. I'm the old fart wearing commercial rockports.
Johnnyboy, find a surgeon or cop and they will tell you what to wear. Dpconsu gives you the best advice.Have two pair and change them out frequently.

By Raine on Sunday, June 11, 2000 - 09:22 pm: Edit

K mart $11.99 on sale, buy new every 3 months, so I don't have to clean 'em.

By jonnyboy on Sunday, June 11, 2000 - 11:14 pm: Edit

I remember when doc martens were made properly and lasted for years but like food with mass production you get s**t and unfortunatley we have pretty strict guidlines for shoes here?!!!! I work too much to be running out to buy shoes every 3 months i am looking for something more indestructible

By d. on Monday, June 12, 2000 - 06:04 pm: Edit

I wear Wolverines. I average a 12 hour day and they last about 1 1/2 years. Thick shock absorbent soles and steel toe. Drawback --- about $120 bucks. I think they are worth it(after trying on countless of brands)....

By chef cj on Monday, June 19, 2000 - 02:01 pm: Edit

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By Jonnyboy on Monday, June 19, 2000 - 02:51 pm: Edit

8 hour shift? I don't remember the last time I worked one of those

By chef ram on Wednesday, June 21, 2000 - 05:17 pm: Edit

hane you tried shoes for crews? they make excellent nonslip kitchen shoes and they only cost about $40 bucks a pair.
I have been wearing them for the past 5 years and usually get about a year of 16/hr days per pair before they finally come unglued. i still haven't been able to wear out the soles on a pair.
the other nice thing is they come w/ a 60 day wear guarentee ( you get to try them for 60 days if you don't like them then return for refund)
they also helped my ankle and leg pain that I used to get from long hours in the kitchen.
hope this helps
CHEF R.A.Meadows

By Seabass on Sunday, August 27, 2000 - 01:53 pm: Edit

Used to be a Doc's pair got me through culinary school, another pair through a year of work. Both pairs split the sole right across the ball of the foot within a year. I found Sears Die-Hard shoes to be excellent. They are nice sturdy leather "cop" shoes, usually on a shelf unbder "Service Shoes". Available with steel toe or without, they run about $80 and last years. Truly slip resistant soles that you could walk through a vat of clarified butter in. Latley I have absolutely fallen in love with Birkenstock Londons... fully enclosed foot, with a single buckle across the pair has lasted me two years, but they arent cheap at about $150 for the non-skids...

By Chefrick (Chefrick) on Monday, August 28, 2000 - 12:40 am: Edit

HEY Everyone,
Have I got a deal for you! Wal mart has a fairly new shoe on the market,they are called tread safe and are made for our bussiness,leather uppers,double stiched,side vents,availible in mens and womens styles,high top,low top,or oxford styles,arch support,good cushin, I have not been able to make them slip yet on soap,oil,grease.they last well mine are going strong after a year,and best of all my feet don't hurt after a 14/16 hour day. I wish the rest of me faired as well. They cost between 25 & 30 dollors a pair and if for some reason they mess up in 6 months Wally World will give you a new pair(save the recept)

By Thebaker (Thebaker) on Friday, October 06, 2000 - 06:49 pm: Edit

An old bartender told me to get 2 different kinds of shoes and change between them during the work week, I do and boy does it help..

By shawny on Monday, August 20, 2001 - 07:53 pm: Edit

Hey there guys..
The best all around shoe in the kitchen has got to be army boots.. I am going on 4 years with mine and they are still going strong.. They look really good too. you cant go wrong with them.. there steel toe..they are nice and shiney.. and the soles are non slip!!! you can get them at a surplus store or about 100.00 can.

By Andapanda (Andapanda) on Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 08:43 pm: Edit

Doc Martens are good shoes! Shoes for Crews are at the low-end of the market. Hytest <> work shoes/boots sold by Wolverine World Wide is most likely the most advanced slip-resistant soled footwear designed specifically as a work shoe/boot. Shoes for Crews and Hytest are both manufactured in China. If you are seeking an American made work boot then look at: <>. Altama <> is still an American made combat boot, but their work boot is made in China.

By Steve9389 (Steve9389) on Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 12:46 am: Edit

I had two pair of Doc Martens split across the sole just like Seabass. Even though I've always been a no-clog guy, I got a pair of the Birkenstock professional clogs and I'm sold. And when they get dirty, I can just wipe them down or throw them in the dishwasher.

By Ironhead (Ironhead) on Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 10:14 am: Edit

Shoes for crews may be the "low end of the market" but I have never had any other work shoe sole that has outlasted them. Here's the list of what I have tried: Doc Martens, Red Wings, Wolverine, Sears Die Hard, Shoes for Crews, Birkenstock, Rockport and more cheapy Wal-Mart style shoes than I care to mention. I would recommend Birkenstock Professional clogs but since you don't wear clogs I'll just tell you that my first pair lasted 1 and a half years before they split. I am in no way shape or form a small man and tend to put shoes through the wringer fairly quickly. But between Shoes for Crews and Birkenstock I get well over a year out of a pair of shoes without switching between pairs.

By Chefmanny (Chefmanny) on Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 11:53 am: Edit

I've had my Red Bobin's going on two years now and they are in excellent shape.
They say you should not wear shoes until they break, because they loose their supportability after they are worn for a certain time and your feet suffer. They should be replaced on a more frequent basis, beign the cheapskate I am I wear them until they fall off my feet but the Red Robin's are great.
I used to wear a shoe Bragard sells but it only comes in blue and beige!; and they stopped making the high top; or they stopped carrying it!
I used Shoes For Crews but found them to have little support!

By Andapanda (Andapanda) on Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 03:34 pm: Edit

I had worn a pair of Rockport "Rocky" shoes that were white and resembled nurse's shoes. The hotel that I had worked at sold them. They were comfortable, but the sole split after one year's usage. I cannot complain about them, other than white shoes which resembled nurse's shoes are not exactly my style. I simply don't wear oxford-style shoes anymore. I strictly buy steel-toed, slip-resistant workboots for working in the kitchen, due the hazardous environment of commercial kitchens. My only pet peeve with clog shod cooks is that they seem to find kicking their clogs at each other across the kitchen to be quite amusing. I'm reminded of Anthony Bourdain's voice on the opening of his "Cook's Tour" television program, "Shouldn't you be doing something? Make the @#$%&*! dessert!" :-)

By Andapanda (Andapanda) on Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 03:49 pm: Edit

Washing shoes in the dishwasher? Wouldn't that be rough on the dishes to wash them in the clothes washing machine, especially if it is a sideloader?

By Chefmanny (Chefmanny) on Monday, September 22, 2003 - 11:44 am: Edit

The shoes probably have a tag with "wash separately" on them!, not together with dishes!

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Friday, September 26, 2003 - 10:33 pm: Edit

I love doing that !
I use to wash mine in the dish washer, and then spray them with non-stick.

By Corey (Corey) on Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 02:22 am: Edit

ah, so thats why you see dead things in the dishwasher once in a while...

By Chefmanny (Chefmanny) on Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 06:51 am: Edit

Spike!!!, how the hell are you? Where you been'?

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Wednesday, October 01, 2003 - 12:18 pm: Edit

I'm well thanks.
just been working, working, working, and waiting for hockey season to begin.
going on vacation on oct. 9, two weeks of doing nothing.
hope you and your family are doing well.

By Ironhead (Ironhead) on Wednesday, October 01, 2003 - 12:38 pm: Edit

Ah! another hockey fan! Just drafted my fantasy team Sunday night....boy do I have my work cut out for me. (sorry this doesn't have anything to do with food, but in Louisville, Kentucky you jump at the chance for someone else to discuss hockey with.)

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Wednesday, October 01, 2003 - 12:46 pm: Edit

discuss away!!!!
whats this fantasy team thing?
I'll warn ya right now, I'm a Red Wing fan so don't say nothin bad about them.
do you play where you are?
I love Louisville!!!!!!
Is the "Loveless Motel" still in biz ?( outside of Nashville, I think)
Best damn breakfast I ever had
Had a girlfriend from there, I still have the scars !!!!!!!!!!!

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Wednesday, October 01, 2003 - 12:50 pm: Edit

I know, I know different state.

By Ironhead (Ironhead) on Wednesday, October 01, 2003 - 05:35 pm: Edit

Fantasy sports kind of put you in the GM seat of a team in the sport of your choice. You draft team of players from all the NHL teams and get points based on how they perform in real life. The trick is to tweak your lineup by (Caviar)trading, or add/drop or just starting different players from your reserve(sautee) each week to try and outfox the other guys.

Back when I first started getting into hockey my friends and I didn't know of anywhere around here to play on ice so we started playing roller hockey. I am far (smoked salmon)too old and fat to play hockey now, but I must say it was definitely the most fun I have ever had playing any sport/

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Thursday, October 02, 2003 - 10:14 pm: Edit

" too old and fat "
that means you would be a good goalie.(cookies)
-never give up what you love-

By Ironhead (Ironhead) on Thursday, October 02, 2003 - 11:27 pm: Edit

Nah, I played defense.(Filet Mignon) My goalies always loved me though, I'd throw myself in front of any shot. (buttercream) Besides I can't afford to play goalie!

By Snuffaluff (Snuffaluff) on Saturday, October 04, 2003 - 09:56 am: Edit

lol, he fellas, I love (bread pudding)hockey too! I guess i started watching on tv about 10yrs ago(smoked brisket). Ofcourse I'm a Stars fan, so Spike, let's just try to be nice to eachother(icecream cone).

By Chefhdan (Chefhdan) on Sunday, October 05, 2003 - 09:44 am: Edit

are u a pre stanly cup Stars fan or one of those fans that cropped up, (insert food joke here________)when all of those little stars flaggie thinggies began to appear all over 75 and the LBJ???

By Snuffaluff (Snuffaluff) on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 09:30 am: Edit

I was got into the sport right about the time they came to Dallas from Mini-soda, so I'm a pre-cup fan for sure. Before they came to Dallas, I was a Blues fan. Not sure why

By Chefmanny (Chefmanny) on Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 08:23 am: Edit

How 'bout those Marlins guys??????
I think it's World Series and fire sale/move this year again!!!!!!!!!!

By Flattop (Flattop) on Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 11:11 am: Edit

That was only game one Manny, and definately not Prior or Woods. If the Fishsticks can do that to either of them then maybe.

Cubbies and da Red Sox World Series bound!!

By Chefhdan (Chefhdan) on Saturday, October 11, 2003 - 08:50 am: Edit

whadda ya tink about the loss of Sydor & Hatcher??? another year no playoffs or what???

By Snuffaluff (Snuffaluff) on Saturday, October 11, 2003 - 10:57 am: Edit

well, ofcourse I'm sad to see them go, especially Hatch with his 1-2nd highest +/- . And to see him join the redwings w/ the other 1-2nd highest +\- makes me sick! lol

But, we didn't offer him what he wanted, so that's that. Now that it's over and done w/, I'll let it go and hope he gets hurt just like any other redwing. :D I think we still have a great chance at it this season. Only time will tell, but I don't think that loosing those two will affect us that much. We have plenty of depth up front to make up for it. I hope.

By Chefmanny (Chefmanny) on Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 03:46 pm: Edit

Hey Michael....Game 7 buddy!!!!!
As a kid I was a Yankee fan living in NY and Jersey, I've been in FL since I was 8 now.
Marlins & Yanks, dream series! The Yanks would kick butt though, I think!
You think they lynched the guy with the headphones and the baseball cap in Chicago yet???
Let me turn on the news..........

By Flattop (Flattop) on Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 11:42 pm: Edit

I hope the hell not. It wasn't his fault that the cubs choked the last three games. They sucked period. I'm please that they made it to the playoffs honestly but I really never expected them to get there. I'm happy but flustrated right now. They played that last game like the Cubs of old. If another losing season follows ALL my cub stuff goes in the trash. Da fish won it,fair and square. They beat the Aces. And I'm done with baseball till next year.

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 06:20 pm: Edit

"I'll let it go and hope he gets hurt just like any other redwing. :D"
don't make me( Dee.toit Yankee ) come down there and kick your star-lov'in cowboy as*
I don't fly so I'd have to take the bus, and that means by the time I got there I'd be mad as hell and you wouldn't have a prayer of git'in away from me.
Red Wings will beat the Stars in 6. If they get in the play-offs.
The stars have always been a bunch of (english term for cig's)

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 06:25 pm: Edit

MANNY !!!!!!!
whats up buddy?
Hows biz?
just got back from the first part of my vacation, leaving again on tues. for the second part.
went to a nude beach !!!!!oh lordy, lordy.
California girls on a beach is heart.a.tack enough,
but man I'll tell ya what, seeing all that nakedness, my heart beat is still not right.
HaHaHaHa !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Chefmanny (Chefmanny) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 06:57 pm: Edit

What's up Spike, How 'bout those Marlins!
Hey, I might be in Escondido CA., sometime late this month or next! I'm going to judge some cooking contest with some type of new water!
Maybe I'll get to see you out there, where are you in relation to Escondido?

By Snuffaluff (Snuffaluff) on Monday, October 20, 2003 - 09:03 am: Edit

lol spike! You need to remember that you are an old man, and I'm in my prime. Don't talk what ya can't back up. ;) + I know mexican judo....

I'm glad the Marlins made it; I hope that Pudge gets to win the series, he deserves it for all the years he played w/ the rangers and stayed w/ the worst team that long. He one heckofa catcher... I dare say the best.
Stars are lookin ok so far, although we haven't played any teams that are doing good. But we have some coming up, so we'll see how that turns out. I think the PinkWings are coming up pretty soon.

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Monday, October 20, 2003 - 01:49 pm: Edit

it's way south but I'll drive down, let me know.
Maybe Tim may want to go?
what the hel* is Mexican judo ?
Is that a dish ?, can I get extra sour cream with that ?
Prime. Ummmmm.
That means nothing to me.
Don't discount "old men", oh and by the way I'm 47 and that ain't old. In fact, I think most of the men here are over 40 or what you would call "old"
I'm just get'in started, boy!
Is Flor-e-da still a state??????
Go RED Wings.
Go Yankee's

By George (George) on Monday, October 20, 2003 - 01:58 pm: Edit

Anybody got any marlin recipes?

Go Yankee's


By Cheftim (Cheftim) on Monday, October 20, 2003 - 05:42 pm: Edit

Manny, Spike, let's plan something. I can't imagine what will happen with the Three of us together.

By Chefrev (Chefrev) on Monday, October 20, 2003 - 07:41 pm: Edit

The Marlins might actually win the series?

By Chefmanny (Chefmanny) on Monday, October 20, 2003 - 08:31 pm: Edit

What about Elwood? He'll want to come too!

By Snuffaluff (Snuffaluff) on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 - 08:24 am: Edit

lol... Mexican Judo... judo know if i gotta knife, and judo know if I gotta gun! lmao

Pink wings lost last night. ;)

Da Fish might go all the way :)

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 - 12:33 pm: Edit

Snuff, fists,guns,knives,cars,pipes,chains,clubs....don't care.
But you won't need any of those 'cause, ya know, I'm "old".
Manny, No Elwood on that trip. He'd scare everyone and then eat the food. He likes good clean water.
you got my numbers, right? call and lets figure something out when Manny knows when. Hey Manny, you should pick up Snuffy on your way, there may even be a ice rink there, we could catch a game.
Hasik was not up to par last night, course the defence had some mistakes too. It will get straightend out......with7-9 Hall of Famer's on the team you know it's gonna get wild!

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 - 12:35 pm: Edit

you don't really eat Marlin do you??

By Chefmanny (Chefmanny) on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 - 04:39 pm: Edit

I'll let you know when I'm heading out there!
Maybe CA will finally break off from the rest of the country!

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Wednesday, October 22, 2003 - 01:43 am: Edit

Not in my life time.
But we are expecting an earthquake soon.
Oh by the way,
the fish is DONE, please take it off the grill.

By Chefmanny (Chefmanny) on Thursday, October 23, 2003 - 11:30 am: Edit

Not quite!!!!!!!
It ain't over 'till the fat bass sings baby!!!!

By Chefmanny (Chefmanny) on Sunday, October 26, 2003 - 06:11 am: Edit

How about those Marlins guys????????
How many heads will Steinbrenner let roll today???
Beckett was on fire last night!!!

By Flattop (Flattop) on Sunday, October 26, 2003 - 05:48 pm: Edit

It's just to bad that The Marlins really have a fan base. They do deserve one. I'm happy anyone but the yankees or braves.

By Chefmanny (Chefmanny) on Sunday, October 26, 2003 - 08:33 pm: Edit

What the hell were you trying to say here Michael?
You stayed up late watching the game didn't you?????

By Flattop (Flattop) on Sunday, October 26, 2003 - 11:32 pm: Edit

I didn't watch a single game of the world series. No reason too realy. Do you think they'll be able to fill the stands next year with marlin fans?

By Chefmanny (Chefmanny) on Monday, October 27, 2003 - 05:20 am: Edit

The thing is, once you've been screwed like Huizenga did in '97 you are hesitant to devote your loyalty to any sport. I know they won't get the stadium!
The way I look at it, if the players really want a new stadium, (for any sport), they should play for minimal salary for 2-3 years and own part of the profits from the stadiums in the future!
Why should the public have to pay for the venues, then pay exorbitant prices for tickets, food, and souveniers???
I am really anti-public funding of any venue for the benefit of one or two multi millionaire owners.

By Snuffaluff (Snuffaluff) on Monday, October 27, 2003 - 08:59 am: Edit

Cheers Manny, I couldn't agree w/ ya more! It's like insurance. You pay and pay for it, but you never get anything back if ya don't use it. Jerry Jones, when he bought the cowboys, bought the stadium and everything for something like 400,000,000(million). Now look at the worth of da boys... overwhelming. I don't feel that a sports player should make more than 500,000/yr. I mean, they get to play a sport that they love to play and make millions while our police,firefighters, teachers, etc make squat. It's pathetic.

By Steve9389 (Steve9389) on Monday, October 27, 2003 - 10:55 am: Edit

On the other hand, new staduims are great for guys like us. I cook at the new Soldier Field in Chicago and it is NICE -- new Vulcan everything (except for the induction burners -- don't know what brand those are), real high-end gourmet food, and 70 of us to cook it. These people spare no expense because the folks we're cooking for will pay the $$$

- Steve

By Chefmanny (Chefmanny) on Monday, October 27, 2003 - 11:20 am: Edit

Great in what sense? The majority of the people (taxpayers)who pay for these mega-venues that are in essence a cash cow for the "owners" only, don't ever use the facility!
It's nice that they create jobs but, at "your" expense as a taxpayer!!!

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Monday, October 27, 2003 - 04:36 pm: Edit

yea!, so there !!!!!!!
not just baseball, and football but look at hockey ticket prices.
You have to be friggin half rich to go anymore.
Maybe if the Wings lose for a couple of years and no one shows up, the prices will come down.
I bet they don't have to pay these prices in friggin Can-na-da. AND I bet they don't have to pay 150. bucks just to watch the crap on t.v.
NHL t.v. give me a break !!!! Who in their right frame of mind would pay that. It's a RIP !!!
Every where you turn your gettin RIPPED !!!
Today on the t.v. the mayor and the Gov got on to say how much they are going to put in to help fight these fires out here.
HELLO! ANYBODY HOME you dumb as*es They've been buring for a week!!!
People are DEAD and homes are lost
They don't care.

By Chefrev (Chefrev) on Monday, October 27, 2003 - 05:23 pm: Edit

Glad to see you're ok, Spike. It's hard to see those homes gone and those 13 people killed, and many others left homeless. Our thoughts and prayers are with CA.

By Chefmanny (Chefmanny) on Monday, October 27, 2003 - 07:27 pm: Edit

Amen, Rev!

By Ironhead (Ironhead) on Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 09:26 am: Edit

The sad thing is, Spike, is that some of the Canadian teams are in pretty dire financial straits. Edmonton, Ottowa, these aren't huge markets. While they have a loyal home fan base it is not a huge home fan base. As the players demand more salaries and better facilities they are actually helping put the nails in their teams coffins. Remember the deal with the Canadiens? Montreal is a large market but if not for an American (whose name escapes me)and Celine Dion, who, if you have ever been to Montreal, is made out to be some sort of friggin' saint, one of the original 6 would be gone. How sad would that have been? Franchises can relocate and players will still get paid, but it ceases to be about the fans. Plus who knows what will happen when the collective bargaining agreement runs out.

There seriously needs to be a salary cap in hockey. Let's level the ice so to speak, make it harder for teams like the Avs, the Stars and (sorry) the Wings to buy a Stanley Cup. Then you have the Rangers who can't even buy a cup.

By Chefmanny (Chefmanny) on Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 09:39 am: Edit

I have a solution but, the agents won't go for it.
I believe in performance pay, they get a base salary, minimal for showing up to play, bench warmers would get a little more because they don't get too much playing time. When a player made a catch, scored a goal, made a basket, whatever, ALL actions would have a dollar value assigned to them, if they mess up, like drop the ball, not catch it, that would also have a dollar value which would be DEDUCTED from the final pay.
Now, the pay would only be able to be 60% of the take at the gate at each game, I think 40% is enough for the owner to cover his expenses and profit. No owner should lose money and players would not get paid more then what they deserve for the day!
This would encourage the players and owners to be a little nicer to the fans by REALLY wantig them to show up for EVERY game!
What do you all think about that idea?????????

By Snuffaluff (Snuffaluff) on Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 09:47 am: Edit

Ricky Williams... running back for the Dolphins. That's the way he set out his contract(at least w/ the saints). He got bonuses for yardage, TDs, etc. His base salary was waaay low compared to everyone else, I think something like 250,000?

It's a great idea, and it should be mandatory. Every player in every sport plays because they love the game, not for the money. I'm talkin in their hearts. Just like we love to cook, we obviously don't make tons of cash.

By Ironhead (Ironhead) on Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 10:26 am: Edit


By Chefmanny (Chefmanny) on Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 12:02 pm: Edit

That's it, cooks would make a commision on each item sold, talk about sales pitch!
Vendors will be plenty friendly and accomodating!!!

By Flattop (Flattop) on Wednesday, October 29, 2003 - 12:24 am: Edit

If that happened you think there'd be some changes in back of house to front of house relations, or would the same old love-fest go on?

By Ironhead (Ironhead) on Wednesday, October 29, 2003 - 08:56 am: Edit

If it was based on profit margin then I think there would be a bunch of restaurants that all of the sudden "run out" of beef or lamb but have plenty of chicken and pasta. Then the morons would be upset because of the lack of high ticket items.......Or if the commision was based on menu price then the chef would be screaming everytime a server sold a salad as entree. So, i think the lovefest would get even worse, if you can imagine that

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 11:17 pm: Edit

Don't canadian teams get money from the goverment?
like the film biz up there?
like the shipping biz?
like...ah...what else???
like the dope smokers?
shouldn't it be fare for all teams and fans?
why are we( americans ) footing the bill?...again!
ya know, I love canadian hockey, I grew up watching the org. 6.
but if ya can't get the people to come to the arena, you don't charge for watching it on tv !
you play the bottom with what ya got and you pick in the draft and trade.
there's no other fare way.
the way it is now is called, ah, like me think cause it's been awhile since it's been used on the planet, oh ya....socialism.

By Ironhead (Ironhead) on Monday, November 03, 2003 - 08:38 am: Edit

The problem is with the players union and the owners. There needs to be a salary cap. Who is footing the bill for the higher salaries and the new arenas? The fans, that's who. Second level seats in most markets average 50 to 60 bucks. That is what is killing the game. Now, I don't know about the Canadian gov giving teams $$ but as far as Americans footing the bill, no one twisted that guys arm to invest in the Canadiens. It would have been sad to see such a part of hockey history go teats up, that and it probably gives the guy a huge tax shelter.......

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Monday, November 03, 2003 - 10:16 pm: Edit

yes, the unions, more socialism.
and yes, I to would hate to see any of the first teams go under.
I have to find out how many games are on the tv up there each year, for free.
as compared to the U.S.
as far as what they charge, thats all what some dummies are willing to pay.
just like the food biz.
there are people that pay stupid prices for snob food and dishes that I could make.
and I'm no reg. food chef
just a humble pastry chef.
HaHaHaHaHaHa !!........humble! ya right!
I don't want to see the nhl carry a team just so it does not go under.
nor do I want the same to happen if a rest. is not making it.
if you fail you fail.
try again or move over, cause there's someone behind you who wants to give it a go.

By Ironhead (Ironhead) on Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - 07:51 am: Edit

Not like the food biz at all: If Average Joe doesn't want to pay 75 bucks a plate he can go to Denny's and pay 6. Hell even the cheap seats at an NHL game are 30 to 40 bucks. Have I gouged customers on prices? Sure. But then again, My place wasn't the only plate in town. It is hard to compare the only NHL franchise in a town to the thousands of restaurants in the same town. Not exactly the same ratio of choices is it? Consider, Spike that you and I are probably getting paid a fair wage for doing what we do, then there's Jaromir Jagr who gets 11 million a year to suck and whine about it......

By Chefmanny (Chefmanny) on Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - 08:33 am: Edit

That's why FL. fans know what to do, they don't go to the Marlin games and they give them away, you can get outfield seats for $2.00 then move to the $125.00 seats, they're empty anyway!
At the Panther games, they moved to a new arena, I had season tixs, they moved me to the nose bleed section for $30 a seat, most season tix holders did not come back to the new arena. Tickets were $5.00 for the cheap seats during game day!!!!!!
I say boycott the bastards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Give the cops, fire (persons) and teachers the raises!!!!!!!!!!

By Flattop (Flattop) on Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - 09:37 pm: Edit

I feel the same Manny, and the hell with the players when they come into beg for free food in a restaurant too

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - 10:44 pm: Edit

Hey Mike, I like your quote. Very funny, very true.
and yes, if there were two teams, in each town to compete for the fans I would be a very happy camper.
here we have the red wings.
two of the top goalies in the game, and they have already let in more than 20 goals this season.
the defence is better than last year, the offence is better so it lays on the goalies.
its a joke.
its been over ten years since they have had such a terrible start, oh and the ticket prices are 60-70 bucks, cheap seats.

By Checked_Pants (Checked_Pants) on Wednesday, November 05, 2003 - 05:44 pm: Edit

Listen to all the bitchin about the NHL, if any of you love the game of hockey go watch An AHL or any other minor league or college team. For 8 to 10 dollars US you can watch players playing their hearts out trying to make the big leagues. Parking is cheap, so are the concessions

By Ironhead (Ironhead) on Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 09:05 am: Edit

Had season tickets to the local AHL team until they were mismanaged into oblivion, now I travel an a hour and a half in either direction to catch an AHL or an ECHL game. So by your criteria I think I've earned the right to bitch about the state of the NHL......

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Wednesday, November 12, 2003 - 09:14 pm: Edit

yes, you are correct sir.(checkered pants)
here in simi, ca. there is a ice arena, so I do get to see some small college and other games that are very nice to see.
plus I get to do "stick time" thats were old guys like me can get the crap beaten out of us by the young guys.(don't believe that, I'm just being nice.)

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Wednesday, November 12, 2003 - 09:17 pm: Edit

oh and theres always NHL Radio, which I listen to all the time. free. easy. takes me back to when i was a kid and listened to the tigers in det*roit

By Checked_Pants (Checked_Pants) on Thursday, November 13, 2003 - 03:54 pm: Edit

My apologies, you obviously have a love for the game. Don't let those kids beat up on you, just remember the old bull and the young bull story. I wish I could still play but the one thing Bobby Orr and I have in common, no knees left. I played for Boston University in the 60's and part of a season for the Saginaw Gears in the IHL until I got drafted by uncle sam, killed my knees in the process. Should have hit the books instead of the boards.

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Friday, November 14, 2003 - 07:30 pm: Edit

wow!....Boston!, one of my fav's.
I play with a couple of sticks from the IHL Viper's(?)
Straight sticks, I love em, big heavy hunks of wood. The kids laugh at me cause of the staight blade, then wonder how I can lift the puck up near the face. Love doing that. It shuts them up.
I never followed semi all that close, but the asst. coach I had loved it when he was in Mich.
The old bull story..?
Is that where the old bull waits for them in the parking lot and then beats the crap out of them in front of the girlfriends???, I know that story.
I love this game.

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