I got to thinking, what is the quintessential AMERICAN dessert? Which pastry or dessert item is most distinctly American, both from an historical and cultural perspective? Which one has, through American design and application, the most variety and broad appeal throughout the US in a way that it does not in other countries?
I have my idea, but I'd like to hear other perspectives.

Yeah, Yeah, it's for an editorial piece, but I'd like to know what all of you think.

By Chefmanny (Chefmanny) on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 04:57 pm: Edit

Apple Pie!
A la mode, with a slice of cheddar, warm, or just plain!

By Chefgibz0 (Chefgibz0) on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 05:03 pm: Edit

Yes, Yes, Yes.........D@mn Straight. Apple Pie. Or just pie in general. Apple, peach, cherry, blueberry, rhubarb, you name it. A la mode, kool whip, 10x sugar..........man, a slice of dutch apple pie with a scoop of vanilla ice cream, and I'm stuck at work.

By Chefmanny (Chefmanny) on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 05:05 pm: Edit

I was going to say Dutch too, but that would be Un-American!...I still love it though!!!

By George (George) on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 05:16 pm: Edit

Definately apple pie.

By Chefgibz0 (Chefgibz0) on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 05:25 pm: Edit

Hey Manny, in reference to dutch apple pie, I do believe it is Pennsylvania dutch apple pie, so not un-american.

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 05:47 pm: Edit

I don't think apple pie is really American.
I think it's German. I think they did it first.
What about Pudding?
What about Fruit and fresh goat milk?
What about Friut with sugar sprinkled over it.
All those were very early American desserts.
OR does it have to be something that has carried on to this day.
How about Brownies...they have been around since the 1860's.
Do those count?

By Chefmanny (Chefmanny) on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 06:26 pm: Edit

Good point!!!...did not think about PA!

By Chefgibz0 (Chefgibz0) on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 07:18 pm: Edit

Common Spike, I am not that old but what I do know is that the ONE thing that was on all diner dessert menu's from the '20s on is PIE. What was the dessert that Mom let to sit on the window sill, PIE. On Thanksgiving and Christmas what dessert is always present, PIE! Mincemeat, lemon merrange, apple, peach, pumpkin......NOW there is one, PUMPKIN PIE nothing more AMERICAN than that. Sweet Potato Pie. I am not tring to shout pie but common man.........PIE PIE PIE....Pie eatin contests. County Fair Pie contests, blue ribbons..........Warrents' rendition of Cherry Pie in the 80's.....Spike you are NOT to old to not know Warrent and Cherry Pie in the 80's are ya??

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 07:31 pm: Edit

ya well....i don't know that one.
i didn't know you meant from the 20's!!
Then yes, Pie it is.
If no one had anything else it was a pie plate.
Up until 2 years ago all my meals were eaten off a pie plate, at home.
Great pans.
Great Dessert.

How would you make the crust?
How'd you make it for the "Quintessential" American dessert that is or could be PIE.
Uh ?

By Kinglear (Kinglear) on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 08:48 pm: Edit

I figured apple pie (and other fruit pies) would be the rational first choice for this question. However, being the food history nut that I am along with my fascination with indigenous american ingredients, I rejected apple pie, as apples are not native to the US and just about every other country in the world has had some version of apple pie as a part of it's culinary vernacular.
Then, still on the pie thread, I thought, OK blueberry. Blueberries are native to the americas and everyone loves pie, so..naturally, blueberry pie should be it. There's a lot going for it, it's blue, a color unusual in the natural world; most blueberry pies have two crusts, a distinction found most often in the US and everyone's Mom knows how to make some form of it.

But then, there's the seasonality problem. Blueberries have a short season and historically, the pie is only made in the summer and the dessert does not travel well either in a boat or on a wagon train.

The dessert I came up with as the quintessential American pastry is TA-DAH!---THE DOUGHNUT!
The pilgrims picked up the recipe for this delectible morsel on their stopover in Holland and brought it with them to America. As early on as 1680 women were making "fried dough gobs" in New Amsterdam (now NYC) and selling them for a profit. Yes, other countries make versions of fried bread or pastry dough, but nowhere in the world can you find the variety, and loyal fan base that the doughnut has. Just think of all the fights over whose doughnuts are best, Krispy Kreme or Dunkin' Donuts? from just a few years ago. And how can you not think of the friendly neighborhood policeman without the donut & coffee in his hand? You just don't get more american than that.
It's a shame there are so few artisan style donut joints around these days.
There's the guy in Texas who makes the bright yellow ones, and if you are every in NY, try the ones from the Doughnut Plant on Grand st. Terrific!

By Chefgibz0 (Chefgibz0) on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 11:01 pm: Edit

O.K. you have a point about the doughnut......BUT!........and I quote "I got to thinking, what is the quintessential AMERICAN dessert?" See Americans do not see the doughnut as "dessert" per say. For breakfast, snack, on "the set", on a "stake out". Doughnuts for Americans are like pizza, can be eaten at all times of the day. But when you form the question based on DESSERT, just about all Americans will say PIE, if not apple pie. I will officially through into the ring pumpkin pie. A PIE, as well as, and correct me if I am wrong, the pumpkin is indigenous to America.

As far as the crust.........2 ways........buy frozen Pillsbury.......or, special order them from the hands of a Master....Spike....what's your mailing address? The holidays' are coming up and my members need PUMPKIN PIE...
peace!

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 01:44 am: Edit

You know, when your right its good.
I thought i read somewhere and now i have to find it that the apple pie was from somewhere else. truth be told now that I'm thinking about it, I should have said france as the first to do a apple "pie" or tart thing.
Its very hard to get real good info about such a long time ago when food is involved.
What year was the APPLE introduced to the America's??
I would have never guessed that Holland started fring dough. I would have said Italy. Only because of the bread thing there. being that bread goes back so far.
The Doughnut.
I hate doughnuts.
I can't get around the Doughnut as the All American dessert.
No, that just can't be right.
The blueberry thing, well thats easy, the east coast was/is the master of the cobbler.
They use every fruit known, and in every way possible.
Some with dough on top, some with it on the bottom.
And as far as the pumpkin pie, I'd have to think about that one, I think I'm missing some others so I think its time I open the books.
I still lean too, as one of the A. A. desserts the brownie. with ice cream. and sauces.
its everywhere thats pies aren't.
Maybe the choc. chip cookie took over for pies?
No, thats still considered a snack.
I gotta come back to this.

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 02:39 am: Edit

Getting back to apples.
of all the different names for apples only one country name, this is in 1882 mind you, is used.
Holland Pippen, a fall apple.
and of course all apples everywhere come from crap apples.
which is another pie, crap apples and rhubarb( which has another name, (pie plant)wine was also made from rhubarb.
and then theres Quince (peach family)Oct to Dec.
been a long time since I had those.
the ladies in Virginia, in 1879 made apple pie.
they used flavors like rose water and would sugar it and thicken it with powdered sugar.
The french doughnut i guess would be Beignets,
made slightly different than the fritter.
And as far as An American fritter pre doughnut, there was the Johnny cake, which was a crepe', but eaten by itself with maybe some butter or jam spread on it. it was a treat for kids, mid-afternoon "snack". around the same time as "hard candy" which is German i think, licorish comes from hard candy, but it was an American company that first put sugar in to licorish. it instantly became a kids treat.
introduced that way,(with sugar) at one of the world fairs.
anyhow, I think Apple Pie is your best bet.
But I think Peach and apple is older. but not in a pie form more of a cobbler.

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 03:08 am: Edit

and don't forget fudge and taffy.
not invented here but certaintly consumed in record tons.
But you said Dessert or Pastry.
I still think that Brownies would fall under the pastry cat.
I know, its not "real" pastry, but its not dessert and its not a snack.
But i think its the closest thing thats old that America has.
Mrs. Rorer's New Cook Book, 1902( her first I think was several years earlyer) calls for suet crust on top of english apple pie.
and pumpkin was made on top of bisquit crust.
that would be the American bisquit not the cake version.
She also printed the first Fudge recipe in America. In her first book.
and lets not forget "Huckleberry Slump", man was that popular.

By Chefgibz0 (Chefgibz0) on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 09:15 am: Edit

O.K.....lets redifine the question. Are we referencing things brought over to America and changed to become "American" or are we talking truely, completely American? Because I still think doughnuts are a "snack" and not a so called dessert. And them being brought over to America via settlers is historical fact, Holland dough and French beignets (god I miss New Orleans). But, the settlers were introduced to pumpkins (being truely native to the americas dating back 7000 to 9000 yrs) by Native americans. These settlers of the New World made a version of pumpkin "pie" using a hollowed out gourd shell, milk, honey and pumpkin and baking it in the ashes of a dwindling fire. Getting back to the Holland thing and apple pie......Pennsylvania Dutch Apple, were the apples in this pie (because I can bet this was the "first" American apple pie) a north american native variety or were they brought over and introduced??

Very perplexing question when thought a lil about it.

Brownie....must think this one over.

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 10:17 am: Edit

(still think doughnuts are a "snack" and not a so called dessert.)......................i agree

(These settlers of the New World made a version of pumpkin "pie" using a hollowed out gourd shell, milk, honey and pumpkin and baking it in the ashes of a dwindling fire.).................

I'm not sure if this would be in the "pie" catagory, but it may be a grandfather of pie.
sounds good though. if you ever try this please let me know how it turns out, cause I would bet this turns out to be a thick pudding.


(......Pennsylvania Dutch Apple, were the apples in this pie (because I can bet this was the "first" American apple pie a north american native variety or were they brought over and introduced?? )...................how long did it take in the new world for the Penn. Dutch to establish themselves. then I would think you would have your answer as to rather the apples used were grown or brough over.
I would say they were grown here from seeds brought with them.

oh and brownies are very like some cake that you use in petit four, thicker yes, but very simular.
which would help it in the Pastry cat.

By Chefgibz0 (Chefgibz0) on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 10:47 am: Edit

As far as the Grandfather of Pies thing goes.....I agree......I hesitated to add it to the forum. Maybe the start of the evolution of pie. As far as "baking" it in the ashes of a dwindling fire.........maybe in my younger years...if ya know what I mean.

Brownies....first record of published recipe was introduced in the Sears and Roebuck Catalog, year 1897. Was, and still?, is considered a cookie. So does this take it out of "dessert" catergory.

All American "dessert" ( I still think pie), I wish for everbody to consider the Rice Crispy Treat. Although by most standards a snack, this to me would be "All American" dessert due the fact of industrial age inginuity with the advent of ready to eat cereals and mass produced marshmellows and the inginuity of the American house wife to create such a delicacy. Invented in America, by Americans, for Americans.

The above statement does in no way reflect solely the expressed thoughts and views by the contributor and in no way should be construed to be fact and solid thought.

In others words I said it tongue in cheek.

Peace.

By Chefmanny (Chefmanny) on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 12:04 pm: Edit

You guys are overthinking this!
Hot dogs, apple pie, and Chevrolet!
Does it need any more explanations????
If we analize everything in food, 99.5% is going to be from somewhere else, just like Americans are.
We took over the land from the Native Americans and imposed our positions and beliefs 200 and some odd years ago, as a nation we are in our terrible two's......no political pun intended....well what the hell yes I did!!!!!
What we have adopted as a nation is what America(n) is, and it is a hodge podge of the rest of the world!
How about the all American beer????????
Bud??????

By Doucefrance (Doucefrance) on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 12:31 pm: Edit

As seen from Europe, and I mean Europe not only France, for us the typical american dessert is cheesecake.
Meditate on this...
Helene

By Snuffaluff (Snuffaluff) on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 12:37 pm: Edit

Roxbury Russet (Boston Russet, Russet Golden, Leather Coat) - Roxbury Russet is perhaps the most popular russet apple grown in the south. It is the oldest American apple originating in Roxbury, Massachusetts with the arrival of the Pilgrims. Fruit is medium to large with dull greenish-yellow skin covered with a rough brownish-yellow russet coat. The greenish-white flesh is coarse, firm and juicy with a pleasing, brisk flavor. Ripens September to October and is a very good keeper.
The most popular dessert would have to be apple pie. It is associated with American culture, like baseball and hot dogs(though we know times change).
As for where the pie came from... I found this link:
http://whatscookingamerica.net/History/PieHistory.htm
I like the idea of brownies, I guess just b/c I love them so much. I think they would be cookies, but cookies are a dessert too? Yeah, we eat them all day long like snacks, but heck, I eat pie the same way. *;)

By Snuffaluff (Snuffaluff) on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 12:39 pm: Edit

mmm... cheescake!
Found this link on the history:
http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blcheesecake.htm

By George (George) on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 12:39 pm: Edit

"As American as Apple Pie"

A very long used quote.

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 01:56 am: Edit

Helen, how are you ? well I hope. Cheesecake???
thats funny, cause when I think of cheesecake I think of Italy. With a nice fruity wine from up north to wash it down.

Brownies as cookies. That has to come from a company or one of those contests where you sumit recipes for cash prizes and "your recipe will be published if you win". Like anyone would care.
Hotdogs are german Manny, and the Indians LOST.

READ THE FOLLOWING.......RECIPE.(snuffs web site)
this can't be true if apples came from crabapples and first came from Holland, how could they have grown apples in such a short time?????

(1671 - The early settlers of New England brought English cookery and English cookbooks with them to the new world. The Compleat Cook. By Dame Alys Katharine of Ashthorne Glen (Elise Fleming), was one of the cookbooks that was used in Plymouth Colony. This cookbook actually had a recipe for pumpkin pie:

Pumpion Pie - Take about half a pound of Pumpion and slice it, a handfull of tyme, a little rosemary, parsley and sweet marjorum slipped off the stalks, and chop them small, then take the cynamon, nutmeg, pepper and six cloves, and beat them, take ten eggs and beat them, then mix them and beat them all together and put in as much sugar as you think fit, then fry them like a froize*, after it is fryed, let it stand till it be cold, then fill your pye, take sliced apples thinne round wayes, and lay a rowe of the froize, and layer the apples with currents betwixt the layer while your pye is fitted, and put in a good deal of sweet Butter before you close it, when pye is baked, take six yelks of eggs, some whitewine or vergis*, and make a caudle* of this, but not too thick, cut up the lid and put it in, stir them well together whilst the eggs and pumpions be not perceived and so serve it up.

something screwy.......

Brownies are from fudge, they just have to be. those two are so close, if you screw up fudge and throw some flour, nuts, eggs in it and bake, you pretty much have a brownie.
grainy...but still real close to a brownie.
and how about Ganache' with nuts, isen't that a brownie type? or a fudge type?

Snuff don't know where you got that apple info from but from a book called "The Grocers Hand-Book", 1882, Pub. By Philadelphia Grocer Pub.
under apples, page 14, it says the Russet is a late comer, hardy, winter apple, and good keeper. (This book is one in my collection, and one of maybe 70 left. Many of the others are in University's or Museums. It has a listing and discription of everything you could buy from Grocers back then.

so with everything said and done i guess Apple Pie is the winner(?)

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 02:04 am: Edit

Brownies....first record of published recipe was introduced in the Sears and Roebuck Catalog, year 1897. Was, and still?, is considered a cookie. So does this take it out of "dessert" catergory.......

I've been looking to see when a brownie recipe appears in one of my books, nothing yet.
Not in Mrs. Rorer's. 1902
Not in Treatise on Baking". 1927
I'll keep looking. I'd like to find the oldest recipe possible.

By Chefgibz0 (Chefgibz0) on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 09:15 am: Edit

Spike, In the reference to the brownie they had mentioned it originated from a cook making cake and forgeting to add baking powder so as not to leaven the cake....hense a dense, fudge like "dessert".

And what not one mention of the rice crispy treat????? Sheese, I thought I could ruffle a few feathers with that one.

By Snuffaluff (Snuffaluff) on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 10:00 am: Edit

Rice krispies:
http://www.kelloggs.ca/whoweare/product_history.htm
1928 Rice Krispies* cereal introduced
1993 Rice Krispies Squares* bars introduced (granted, this date is for the boxed version)
Rice krispies would not be the Qu. American dessert... no way.

We're gonna hafta stick w/ apple pie... so far the facts claim it as the oldest w/ maybe exception to pumpkin. I'd like to try some of those old recipes and see how they are... sounds pretty good.

By Brians (Brians) on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 12:37 pm: Edit

I don't think the old recipes would work like they did back in the day. The crap we get for milk and eggs these days is totally different from what was around back then and I'd bet the flour is different too.

By Chefgibz0 (Chefgibz0) on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 01:22 pm: Edit

Hey Snuff, I hope you read my whole post and saw I was not in the least bit serious about it!?

By Snuffaluff (Snuffaluff) on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 03:24 pm: Edit

I was hopeing you weren't gibz, but heck, it's hard to tell some sarcasticness over the net... ya know?.?
Brians, it would still be interesting to try. I'm sure it could be made into something good with today's products and still follow the original recipe.

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 04:07 pm: Edit

Brians brings up a good point.

cow milk should be the same.
goat milk.
baking powder.
eggs?, why wouldn't they be the same?, i don't know.
choc. is the same.
flour?, theres lots of small flour mills around, you could get natual, or close to it.

rice krispies treat...i wonder if this came out at the same time smores did?

By Cocolulu (Cocolulu) on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 05:53 pm: Edit

In case you really wanted know, S'mores 1927, accredited to the Girl Scouts, Moonpie 1917.

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 08:37 pm: Edit

Thats AMAZING!!!!
Where did you find that?
and speaking of cobblers, i was in the Bev. center today, here in LA. so i decided to stop in at Williams "you know we are ripping you off, why do you still buy here" Sonoma, and they had cobbler filling in a jar.
the lable said that cobblers have been around since "Colonial Times", and that it was an All-American Dessert.
They must have read this thread!
go pistons.
go red wings.

By Snuffaluff (Snuffaluff) on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 08:48 am: Edit

You mean, "Go Stars!!" *;)

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 09:06 am: Edit

ya,........... thats what i meant.
when hell freezes over.

By Chefgibz0 (Chefgibz0) on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 09:42 am: Edit

One.......neither the wings or the stars will be seeing the ice this year if they do not broker a deal.......and even if the do....Go Sabres

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 05:39 pm: Edit

HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa !!!!!!!!!!!......Sabres !?
are they still around???
I thought they had fallen through the ice.
LOL!

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 05:40 pm: Edit

and then they turned the lights out.

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 05:43 pm: Edit

and went home.


Red Wings. Gods Team. You know God is a Yankee Snuff, from up north way.
HA!!!!

By Chefgibz0 (Chefgibz0) on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 08:52 am: Edit

Do they even have hockey sticks in Cali. Spike? Don't make me come to Cali. with my CCM twig (that is what you call a stick on the ice) and my officially licenced biscuit (puck in lamens terms) and start firing rounds of slap shots on ya till you get down on your hands a knees and say out loud, " Oh, Chefgibz0, your Sabres are the Quintessential American Hockey team. You stick by your diehard Sabres Fan blood. My Wings are only good now cause Buffalo gave up Hasek. And Betman and the Stars robbed the Sabres from a Stanley Cup (hiya Snuff)" You got that Spike, don't make me!? And before anyone gets their panties in a bunch.......that is humor, not meant for real.......well, maybe it was!!

Peace

By Snuffaluff (Snuffaluff) on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 11:59 am: Edit

lol... Robbed? I think taken fairly is more like it Gibzy.
You know God is not from the North Spike, he's a cowboys fan, dontcha know that's why the hole is in the roof? sheesh

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 12:33 pm: Edit

that hole is just a BIG SPITOON.

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 01:28 pm: Edit

CCM twig???
Sher-wood 9970, all wood baby!, straight blade.
thats the stick.
when my elbows and wrists and shoulders work good I can fire a 60 mph slap shot. But only a couple of them. Not great but not bad for as much time as i get to play.
Hasek.....hes gone. big trouble with him. he did his job when needed, and helped win a cup.
but like the man says,

"Bring it on"

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 12:46 am: Edit

so I'm in this old hippie book store tonight and theres this book call "As American As Apple Pie"
this women put together 49 of the all American dishes.
Apple pie
Pumkin pie
Cobbler
Ice Cream Sundae...were just a few of her desserts.
Mac&cheese
BBQ
Cornbread, skillet
Pizza
London Broil...were some of her main dishes.

By Chefrev (Chefrev) on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 08:46 pm: Edit

OK not quite colonial, but found an American dessert that goes back to 1904: the ice cream cone, one of my favs!

Invented by Charles Menches when he ran out of regular dishes and saw another vender selling Zalabia, a crisp thin round cookie. Menches curled a hot Zalabia into a cone, cooled it, and put ice cream into it. TADA! The first commercially sold ice cream cone.

By Chefrev (Chefrev) on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 08:51 pm: Edit

OOPS! another possible inventor could be argued for the ice cream cone:

"The first ice cream cone was produced in 1896 by Italo Marchiony. Marchiony, who emigrated from Italy in the late 1800s, invented his ice cream cone in New York City. He was granted a patent in December 1903 U.S. Patent No. 746971."

From a site called The Great Idea Finder. Hey even earlier and still American (okay Italian American but we're a nation of immigrants right so what is truly "American"?)

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 08:39 pm: Edit

"so what is truly "American"?".....good point preacher.
something made here and enjoyed by Americans over all these years.
even, as most things,if it went through some changes and renamed.
BUT, thats one of the NEW American desserts, everything else mentioned above is much older.
'cept for twinkies
how have ya been?...where ya been?

By Poochedm (Poochedm) on Monday, September 27, 2004 - 02:01 am: Edit

Allright guys: Good question for you pastry Chefs here. This question was posed to me, and I quote, "Is it possible to make flans or creme caramel without eggs and without gelatin?" Gelatin? Never tried anything like this with gelatin, sounds more like a panna cotta. Starch thickener gives you a nice pudding maybe. So, without having to hit the books, pain in the butt after all these years, anyone have a good answer or other alternatives. I would always say, stick with the eggs and cream. Always works. Don't mess with a classic that is also just the best. Skim milk and gelatine = YUCKORUNI. Thanks for your speedy input. ChefDanP.

By Poochedm (Poochedm) on Monday, September 27, 2004 - 09:09 pm: Edit

Is everyone asleep here? C'mon, help me out. See previous post. Thanks, ChefDanP.

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 01:44 am: Edit

I've never made it with gelatin.
and i've never made it without eggs.
I don't see how it would be the same without eggs.
(Skim milk and gelatine = YUCKORUNI)....ditto !
I can be no help to you, sorry.
goodluck.

By Chefmanny (Chefmanny) on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 09:02 am: Edit

If it does not have eggs is not a custard!

By Ladycake (Ladycake) on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 01:36 pm: Edit

Flan and creme caramel are custard. You are asking for a redefinition of the dessert. Are they wacko lacto-ovems or what?

What about coconut milk? Or cocoa butter used as a thickener? (I was just reading about that.)I really can't help, just my thoughts running amuck!
lol

By Poochedm (Poochedm) on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 02:26 pm: Edit

Thanks for your thoughts. Yes, the question was from a veggie something or other. My answere to them was forget it, no eggs, no cream, no good.

By Snuffaluff (Snuffaluff) on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 02:41 pm: Edit

My answere to them was forget it, no eggs, no cream, no good.

:D that sounds correct to me!

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 10:24 pm: Edit

and there you have it.

By Pastrycrew (Pastrycrew) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 12:14 am: Edit

www.moonpie.com

By Snuffaluff (Snuffaluff) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 12:02 pm: Edit

"I'll trade you 4moonpies for a pack of smokes!"

jail humor

By Chefmanny (Chefmanny) on Wednesday, December 08, 2004 - 02:30 pm: Edit

I was watching the "Made in America" last night and came upon "twinkies", this could also be the ultimate American dessert!
It was made by a baker who had left over batter at the end of the day, (during the depression) and wanted to help feed the homeless, so he filed the pans halfway and filled it with banana cream, then topped it off. Eventually banana became scarce and it was filled with cream, as we know it today.
Additionally, at a convention I went to recently they had food trends on the agenda and one of them was fried candy bars, and yes, they had fried twinkies, in a batter of some sort!

By Snuffaluff (Snuffaluff) on Thursday, December 09, 2004 - 11:27 am: Edit

they freeze them then flash fry them? I've heard of them, but never seen or eaten one... wonder if they're good.

By Tamsin (Tamsin) on Friday, December 10, 2004 - 02:52 am: Edit

It's a bit like the deep fried mars bars, they are really good. I use to use whatever left over batter we had, mainly a beer batter. Deep frying them basically just melts everything the chocolate and caramel, best when they are warm, don't eat them while they are too hot as it goes all over you, mmmmmmmm really want one now.

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Saturday, December 11, 2004 - 01:03 am: Edit

By Chefgibz0 (Chefgibz0) on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 05:03 pm: Edit


Yes, Yes, Yes.........D@mn Straight. Apple Pie. Or just pie in general. Apple, peach, cherry, blueberry, rhubarb, you name it. A la mode, kool whip, 10x sugar..........man, a slice of dutch apple pie with a scoop of vanilla ice cream, and I'm stuck at work.
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I JUST CAUGHT THIS!!!!....KOOL WHIP?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
COME ON!
Ohhhh the shame you must be feeling right NOW !!!
kool whip.
go to your room. stay there.
kool whip, ITS NOT EVEN FOOD !
go to your room. stay there longer.

By Chefoncall (Chefoncall) on Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 04:53 pm: Edit

Dear Chefs:

I am going to have to agree. The very first thing that came to my mind was apple pie.

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 08:16 pm: Edit

SEE!...Chefoncall didn't mention kool whip.
oh the shame, the shame..........

By Snuffaluff (Snuffaluff) on Monday, December 13, 2004 - 12:04 pm: Edit

hey, cool whip rocks!! I'm not sure what they do to it bud it sure is tasty!!

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 10:25 am: Edit

evil.

By Snuffaluff (Snuffaluff) on Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 04:47 pm: Edit

vs. good ;)

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 02:33 pm: Edit

If you think that kool whip is good, then you have no mouth for Pastry.

By Chefmanny (Chefmanny) on Sunday, December 19, 2004 - 07:07 am: Edit

Cool Whip sucks the big one dude!!!!!!

By Chefgibz0 (Chefgibz0) on Sunday, December 19, 2004 - 09:30 am: Edit

I'm sorry Spike....did you mutter something about Kool Whip?? I do not know about you low brow types, but personally I don't touch the stuff. Nothing but hand whipped cream for me. Besides, being the patriot that I am, the only reason I would mention the use of such a product is its deep steep in Americana. They even have lessons on how to do the Kool Whip dolop (sp?). It may not be food, it may not be a "culinary" classic, but it has been in the American culture for ions and it is here to stay. Like it or leave it grocery stores around the nation do not stock up on it for nothing. Peace.

By Snuffaluff (Snuffaluff) on Monday, December 20, 2004 - 04:27 pm: Edit

lol... I love you guys! Cool whip is good. Is it as good as hand whipped, or something "professional"? Heck no, ofcourse not, but when my grandma puts a dab or two or three on a piece of sweet-tater pie... i'm loving every bite of it.

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 08:29 pm: Edit

this is why we keep "ya a'll" down there.
cause ya be liken ....kool whip.lol