hello,

i'm a student pursuing a pastry course and need some information about gateaux and tortens for a research paper.
i thought that the dutch cherry torte is a really nice gateau and would like to find some more information about it. like history/origins, trends and changes on how and why it has been modernised and such other relevant information.
where would it be possible to get such information on the net, please.

cheers
vinod

By Chefjoannam (Chefjoannam) on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 11:50 am: Edit

why don't you go to about.com and send a nicely-worded e-mail letter to the most appropriate "guide", they actually get paid for doing research.

You can also go to "google answers" and let their researchers bid on your reply. You have to pay for that. Keen.com also lets you pay for research.

Coming on here and asking other people to do your research for you (for free!) isn't exactly going to endear you to this community, Vinod...

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 10:58 pm: Edit

Chefjoannam,
I just read the above and I think I'm in love with you. !!!!!!
Marry me.
You wrote that so nice.
You see, thats how I think, but when I type it, it comes out nasty.
LOL!
Hell, I feel so good right now I think I'll search that damn thing for him !!

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 11:36 pm: Edit

Hey Vinod,
There's no such cake by that name from the 1900's to the 1920's in America.
( Hiller, Elizabeth O.--"The Calender Of Cakes", 1920. Pub.& Copy. by P.F.Volland Comp., Chicago )
I thinks, that if it's not european that it's a 40's or 50's creation of some kind.
Now maybe some housewife got ahold of a Cherry Torte' recipe, French, and then decided to use a Dunkin hines "dutch choc.- box cake mix" and then it became DUTCH CHERRY TORTE'. Oh I can see it now, checkerboard curtains,white tin kitchen cabnets, wedgewood stove with the clock and salt and pepper shakers,the lady wearing saddle shoes with the turned down bobbie socks and one of those tight furry kind of sweaters and tight and I'm talking TIGHT pair of clam digger jeans and get'in flour all over the place
BABY !..........YIKES !!!
I am soooo glad I had a paper route.
ah..........excuse me.

So.............................

I'm still look'in in the old liberry, but thats what I thinks just off the top of my head.
In the future, not knowing where you are, you might find going to a University and looking through their "old book" collection you just may find some of this stuff yourself and lots more you didn't know was there. Plus it gives you a nice history of food and who did it and where.

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 12:34 am: Edit

nothing in mrs. rorer's cook book, 1902
or
all about home baking, 1933
or
amy vanderbilt's cookbook, 1961
or
the art of fine baking, paula peck, 1961

now, in the master cake baker, cleve carney, calumet baking company, 1927....old cleve has a dutch torte, but it has cinn., and raisins and almonds. its a milk, soft flour, shortening cake mix...yuk.

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 01:00 am: Edit

I thinks you will never find this torte or cake.
I thinks it's dutch apple cake your looking for.
and someone just traded out the apples for cherries.
dutch apple cake has been around since the 1890's
its a summer cake that is eaten with a vanilla sauce.
mrs. florence warren adler has a nice but plain recipe in "the universal cook book", 1909.
issued by the boston section, council of jewish women.
good luck with your paper.

By Chefjoannam (Chefjoannam) on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 01:41 am: Edit

Dear Chef Spike,

I'm flattered, but I'm still running strong with Husband #1 but as soon as he's done with me, you're next on the list.

It's too cute that you actually *DID* do Vinod's research for him.

I'm going to go do some baking in pointy high heels and a big flouncy June Cleaver dress in your honor.

Chef JoAnna

http://www.nomarriage.com/goodwife.jpg
(just the photo, I don't subscribe to the rest of that B.S.) :-)

By George (George) on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 11:31 am: Edit

Chef JoAnna-

Ya gotta post a pic of that one.

G

By Chefgibz0 (Chefgibz0) on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 01:45 pm: Edit

Yes....that was way too funny.....it is the laugh of the Club now. I then sent it to my wife and told her to study it and brush up by watching Leave it to Beaver and Happy Days.....lol.

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P.S. Wonder if I should actually go home tonite??

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 09:01 pm: Edit

well, you tell him I'm on his heels.
What a great photo!
Man, if I could find a girl like that, well....we wouldn't be leaving the kitchen too soon after dinner.
And I ain't talk'in 'bout doing no dirty dishes neither.

By Chefspike (Chefspike) on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 09:07 pm: Edit

Hey Gibzo...............
Go late, sneak in the back door.
Hell, who knows, she may surprise you!!!!
Good Luck with that.

And to everyone here and to all that have served our country, Have a Great and Wonderful Memorial Day and remember, it's not all about picnics.
No matter where you go, you can always find someone who served and shake their hand, and you've just made a new friend.

God Bless America.